This is an older close contact saddle that I have had for over twenty years. I received it as a gift from a relative so I have no idea as to brand (can't find anything on the saddle itself)or age. It has been sitting around my tack room now for quite awhile and needs a bit of attention. I believe it to be a 17" saddle. It is a hard seat and has no knee rolls. The tree is in good condition. It has had repairs done the flap on the right side. I can email more photos to interested parties.